3/18/2013 9:16:54 AM
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Section 8: Handguns Subject: M325 Nightguard Msg# 852814
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You are offering arguments that you don't back up, while I'm backing up each of my points. Methinks you're losing this one, Stuart, but you just don't want to throw in the towel. (Thank-you.) To whit:
Indeed it does, but that's not a valid comparison in my mind. Those smaller snubs serve a different purpose - back-up or concealment-first carry. The N-frame is just too big for that. To me, it logically should be compared to primary carry guns. Here you say--twice "in my mind," and "to me." I think because you don't really have an argument here, it's just how you feel about things. Clint Smith, to give one example, has written a couple of columns about carrying N-frames concealed, specifically in pocket holsters, and that included barrels up to four inches, not just the snubs. He listed holsters made for this and showed photos of these guns concealed this way. Clint Smith is a smaller guy than you and I, and has thinned down as he's aged, so it's not like he's Paul Bunyan pulling off a stunt. This stuff is all do-able, not what I think or what seems to be in "my mind." All true, but again, why not carry a flatter, higher capacity 1911 in those conditions? That's where the comparison should lie, not with a J-frame! Answered above--if you want to carry it as a primary, you can. But now you only want to compare it to a 5" 1911? We discusssed that already, but let's look at it from another angle, and get back to real life. You know that almost nobody on this forum of very knowledgeable gun guys carries a 5" 1911. They all compromise. Mr. 1911-cuz-everythiung-else-has-a-squirtgun-trigger, Allan, chopped his barrel down to 3", but Allan likes big butts, so his pistol compares well with the N-frame snub. You yourself used to carry a 1911 but you've long since parked that anchor for a SIG .40 that is about 13oz lighter and waaay smaller. And short-barreled, I might add. Yet you want me to compare the N-frame to a 5" 1911 because that is the only reasonable comparison? Ha ha. I laugh. The only guys here (I know of) who carry 5" 1911s are Jerry, on occasion, and me, on occasion. And Jerry is more likely to pack a mid-size, standard frame Glock, while I'm more likely to carry either the same or a 4" 1911--though a 4.5" full-size Glock .45 has ridden my hip all winter, because I don't have a mental problem with carrying big guns. I did compare the N-frame with J-frames because it can also do that duty as well, to a great extent. I won't repeat that whole bit again, it's in my previous messages. Let me ask you something I haven't asked--I'll include everyone. Have you handled these guns? Shot them? I haven't had the opportunity to shoot one, but I've handled several. I find them very likable. But I've always liked N-frame snubs. I've liked them since gunsmith Curt Hardcastle was taking S&W Model 25-2s and 25-5s and cutting the barrels back to 2-3-4"" in the early 1980s, round-butting them, and fitting them with Pachmayr Compac stocks. Parkerized, one of those was on my dream gun list. I know, you're thinking, that explains it, why I'd like something so useless. Ha ha again. I'm hopefully older and wiser now, but the concept still intrigues. If it is a "special mission" piece, what the heck. I think I justified everything I said about them in a factual manner before I mentioned that I'm extra keen on them, so this isn't just something I've always wanted. About the new ones--nice as the Hardcastle Customs were, the new ones have very appropriate sights, finishes, etc., and in today's dollars are probably less money, even though they are S&W Custom Shop items. BTW, here are a couple of Hardcastle Customs, FWIW. Couldn't find any photos of his snubs , just 4" models, so that's a bit of a let-down. Still, in the 80s you couldn't buy these from S&W. Both are Model 25-5s, meaning .45ACP. The Model 25-5 was in .45 Colt: |
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For reference, the above message is a reply to a message where: >>When you compare it to your primary carry, sure, it's not the be-all and end-all, but compare it to other guns within the genre--smaller framed snub revolvers. Here it shines.<< Indeed it does, but that's not a valid comparison in my mind. Those smaller snubs serve a different purpose - back-up or concealment-first carry. The N-frame is just too big for that. To me, it logically should be compared to primary carry guns. >>You can carry an N-frame snub with thought and the right holster(s) and the right clothing, as I outlined in my previous message. No, it won't hide quite as well as a smaller frame revolver but that is all it won't do better than the smaller frame snub.<< All true, but again, why not carry a flatter, higher capacity 1911 in those conditions? That's where the comparison should lie, not with a J-frame! >>And one can take it beyond the usual mission for snubs. Life's too short to identify the "ultimate carry gun" and then ignore everything else that may give you a lot of enjoyment--as an alternative or occasional carry, or back-up, or house gun/office gun, or car gun, etc<< The key here is enjoyment. If you like a big, honkin' snubby, then by all means do everything you want to with it including carry. If I had unlimited funds and an itch to accumulate more guns, I think I might buy one just for kicks, but that would be waaaay down on my gotta-have list! :-) >>A revolver is particularly well-suited for stashing in places where it will not be handled for long periods of time yet must work if and when it's needed. While the semi-auto is better suited to hard use and near abuse--combat for example, the revolver is better suited to benign neglect. << I completely agree! But does that have to be a snubby? The one advantage a snub has over a longer-barreled revolver to my mind is as a house gun, where distances will be short and there is less barrel sticking out to be used as a lever against you if grappling with an intruder. >>Once more, it seems clear that these big snubs are far more than the World's Tallest Midgets.<< And once more, I'm not so sure! ;-) Stu |