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Section 9: Military Weapons Subject: M14 Msg# 1187777
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But back to the Vietnam War. If we had found ourselves fighting in Eastern Europe across wide plains, in coniferous forests, in hilly country and mountains, I think it's more likely the M14 would have been appreciated more, and very possibly kept.
I agree but that isn't the world we live in. Back to modularity, the M14 isn’t as optics mounting friendly as the AR platform. |
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For reference, the above message is a reply to a message where: The SR25 was not standard issue though, as Harvey and I discussed. I don't consider weapons of various special forces as standard. On the other hand, the M14s were pulled out of storage and widely issued to regular organizations as DMRs. This was primarily because distances in the Sandbox were often long and the 5.56 just didn't have the long range killing power, while the 7.62 did. One can say M14s were used was because M14s were already in inventory, maybe so, but nevertheless they were used by regular troops, and SR25s were not. I think Harvey has rightly pointed out why the M14 was replaced--it was the Vietnam War more than anything else, not a failing of the rifle. No, the wooden stock was not ideal, but the DOD had a good fiberglass stock ready to go and produced in large numbers (I have one on my M1A). And another failing was also not the M14's fault--using one rifle to replace a battle rifle, a smaller support troop's rifle, an SMG , etc., all in one is simply a bad idea. Blame that on the mentality of the DOD at the time. They couldn't even do all that with the M16/M4, and had to have modern replacements for the M60 of our generation. But back to the Vietnam War. If we had found ourselves fighting in Eastern Europe across wide plains, in coniferous forests, in hilly country and mountains, I think it's more likely the M14 would have been appreciated more, and very possibly kept. Harvey said something along the same lines. The rifle is a good rifle. If one takes any good piece of equipment and tries to use it improperly, one can expect failure--but we shouldn't blame the rifle. I'm the first one to admit that I have personal prejudices. I don't like the M16/AR15. I especially don't like the 5.56/223. But I'm not just blindly criticizing a rifle or cartridge in order to pump up a rifle I do like better. And I think a lot of M16/5.56 supporters criticize the M14 with somewhat weak reasons in order to build up their preferred rifle and/or cartridge. I'm not talking about anyone here. I think most everyone here debates these topics based on rational reasoning, whether we all agree or not. But in the greater sphere of firearms fans outside this forum, you get a lot of "mine's better because I like it better" crap. That's fine if we're kidding around, but not if we're being serious. |